With More Holes Than A Cobra Video
According to an inside source, this morning Harlow Cuadra and Joe Kerekes pleaded "not guilty" to all charges against them. Though Barry Taylor has been removed from counsel due to conflict of interest, the dynamic duo that ran BoyBatter.com, now accused of the murder of Cobra Video owner Bryan Kocis, will fight extradition. The federal government has supposedly seized all of their assetts. I'm told one of the most interesting pieces of information the affidavit provides is that police believe many of Cobra Video's masters and model releases were destroyed prior to the fire. Allegedly, the area where Kocis kept all of Cobra's material was severely thrashed!
There's more than a few things here that don't add up, leaving more holes in this story than any of Cobra's movies.
Brent Corrigan and Grant Roy have now been named as "informers," having assisted the police in gathering the evidence necessary against Cuadra and Kerekes during a secretly recorded conversation at, of all places, a nude beach. This leaves for a lot of loose ends and unanswered questions.
First of all, you don't kill someone because they have one of a hundred "rival gay porn companies" and want to work with one of the stars under contract. That motive is totally ludicrous to anyone who works in the adult entertainment business. So ludicrous, in fact, it was spoofed in a movie that Corrigan starred in, The Velvet Mafia. It's almost as though the supposed motive and plot of this murder is lifted directly from the movie's script.
Furthermore, if the leaked quotes from the recorded beach tapes are true, what is with Harlow saying he felt like he got "revenge"? Revenge for what? How did he know Bryan?
It is also now revealed by the media that Corrigan and Roy claim during the initial Vegas meetings between the four, murder was hinted at by Cuadra and Kerekes to get Kocis out of the way. Though the quote given, where they ask what if Bryan were to leave the country, seems a far cry from murder.
At the very least, because of those Vegas meetings, Corrigan and Roy definitely knew who Cuadra was when the "person of interest" bulletin featuring a photo of Cuadra was released to the press. So why was I the first person to call the police with Cuadra's escort profile and contact info nearly 24 hours later? Why didn't they call?
And most importantly, the biggest burning question of all is why Cuadra and Kerekes would discuss the murder so incredibly openly with Corrigan and Roy -- unless they trusted them because they too were involved.
For up to the minute updates, visit Julien's Gay Rant Page, providing the most comprehensive listing of articles and legal documents regarding the case yet online.
posted by Jason Sechrest at 9:27 AM
140 Comments:
"And most importantly, the biggest burning question of all is why Cuadra and Kerekes would discuss the murder so incredibly openly with Corrigan and Roy -- unless they trusted them because they too were involved. "
Or that they were very very stupid. Which we can safely say was the case.
As I pointed out on Elm's blog, todays news revelation has Harlow explaining and APOLOGIZING for the murder, into Brent's hidden police microphone:
"... I should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed. I remember looking at the press. I’m just glad this (expletive) is over,” Cuadra allegedly said while under surveillance on a San Diego, Calif., nude beach on April 28. "
If Brent and Grant urged the killing, why is Harlow explaining and apologizing for committing the murder to them?
Jim - Seems to me he's explaining the murder. Not apologizing. There's no apology in that quote or anywhere else mentioned in the article that quote came from here: http://citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18351857&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=6 xo L, J.
This case is fascinating on soooooo many levels. Kudos to you, Jason, for keeping such good tabs on it all.
You have Harlow posting photos on his blog of him and Brent Corrigan and then thousands of dollars of brand new computer equipment ... there's a record of him adding himself and a link to his website to Brent Corrigan's wikipedia page. ... you even have him putting a clip on his site of a model named "Drake"...
You'd think, "OK ... for someone to be so brazen about all this, he must have an AIRTIGHT alibi." but it turns out he used his own credit card and ID to rent a car, get a hotel room and buy a knife and gun around the time of the murder.
Meanwhile, you've got Brent's boyfriend Grant posting vicious anti-cobra rants on message boards under the name "Cobra Killer".
It reminds me of the Larry Clark movie "Bully" -- a true story about these teenagers in Hollywood, FL, who murder their friend because he was a Bully but are such bumbling fools it takes police 48 hours to figure out who's done it.
Should be interesting to see how it all pans out ... to say the least ...
Well, OK, if you don't think an apology is quite there (just an explanation), fine; then my question gets rephrased to:
"If Brent and Grant urged the killing, why is Harlow explaining committing the murder to them?"
Jim - Why would they explain it to someone who WASN'T involved??! lol xo L, J.
Because someone who was involved would need no such remorseful explanation.
It does not make any sense for Harlow to express hindsight remorse to Brent "... I should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed...." if Brent had been involved in the first place.
The phraseology in that case would have been "...WE should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed...."
You see what I'm saying?
Jim - I am following this case closely. ...Or no, wait -- WE are following this case closely. Hmm, either way! ;-) I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense to me why they would refuse to admit involvement in the murder to anyone except Brent and Grant. That's a huge hole and obviously reason for suspicion, that's all I'm saying. xo L, J.
"Furthermore, if the leaked quotes from the recorded beach tapes are true, what is with Harlow saying he felt like he got "revenge"? Revenge for what? How did he know Bryan?"
Actually I posted some thoughts on that earlier today over at Elm's; people who are pining for more motive will find this comforting, I think:
"BTW, on the subject of motive, there was one comment Harlow made into Brent's recording device, which I mentioned yesterday, but did not really explore:
"When talk of the Kocis’ murder arose, Cuadra allegedly said, ... "It almost seems like I got revenge and I know that sounds (expletive) up.""
Facinating. You know, one of the prime murder theories floated about these past four months has been the Obsessed Fan Theory. I.e, that an obsessed Brent fan took it on himself to be an avenging angel for Brent, based on the bitter public dispute.
Could Harlow's statement above indicate he WAS such an obsessed fan? Food for thought... "
Note that this new, additional motive theory also explains very nicely your question, Jason, of why Harlow would indeed confide the murder secret to Brent.
For the case against Harlow and Joe to make sense you have to think like a PROSECUTOR, not like someone who is trying to find out who killed Kocis. It is not a Prosecutor's job to solve murders. A prosecutors job is to prosecute the person who can most likely be convicted and to win a conviction.
Luzerne County Prosecuting Brent Corrigan would bring a hell of a lot of unwanted national attention to the District Attorney's Office of Luzerne County when two people in the DA's office are running in elections coming up in November.
It is very important to note that Judge Michael Conahan (judge in Kocis 2002 child molestation case) announed that he would retire at the end of the year on Sunday and Harlow was arrested two days later.
Primary elections where held in Luzerne County on Tuesday in Luzerne County. And, TWO PEOPLE already IN the Distict Attorney's Office in Luzerne County are running for public office. The Current DA of Luzerne County is running for Judge and the Current First Assistant DA is running for the new DA.
REmember, the DA's Office is on record as saying that Bryan Kocis had "a valid mistake of age defense" in 2002 when the State of Pennsylvania does not even allow "mistake of age defenses" in child molestation cases.
It is a third degree felony in PA for anyone to have helped Kocis evade the state's Megan's Law registration requirements. Kocis' attorney, Al Flora, and the District Attorney's office went before Judge Michael Conahan in 2006 to get Kocis' 2002 guilty plea "corrected".
The investigation of Harlow et al was apparently not done by Luzerne County. HOwever, the decision on who to prosecute and for what was probably decided by the Current DA of Luzerne County - a guy who is running for Judge and who presided over the change in Kocis 2002 guilty plea in 2006.
Jason Sechrest said "it just doesn't make any sense to me why they would refuse to admit involvement in the murder to anyone except Brent and Grant."
Jason - did you forget it was me who was the most recent interviewer of Harlow Cuadra this past Monday? You haven't asked me exactly what he said in my RECORDED interview...so I would NOT be too sure about the "admitting involvement to anyone except Brent and Grant" part. Not sure at all, as a matter of fact.
Jim - He made it pretty clear in his blog entries that he didn't really care much for Brent upon his first contact with him via email -- and that in Vegas, he actually turned him down when Brent asked him to come fuck him. Now, obviously he could be lying, but he doesn't sound obsessed with Brent Corrigan. He didn't create an entire web site devoted to promoting Brent Corrigan, he didn't link to Brent Corrigan when he mentioned him. Technically, if Harlow's behavior is "obsessive" regarding Brent Corrigan, then our's is downright stalker-ish, isn't it? xo L, J.
the decision to prosecute Harlow & Joe and not other people as well will probbably NOT prevent Harlow's lawyer from bringing up Bryan Kocis' history with the Luzerne County Court and the Luzerne County DA's Office.
Personally, a trial for Harlow seems unlikely. I just assumed that no one would be prosecuted for Kocis' murder.
One way or another, I don't see a trial and national tv networks examining how Kocis avoided jail and managed to operate a gay porn studio in his basement
And Jim, I should also say, every one of your theories may very well be right. But there's too many holes as it stands right now to say, "Oh well it all makes sense now!" Maybe as some of the gaps are filled in, your statements will ring 100% true. xo L, J.
Nothing Harlow wrote in his blog can be trusted. Not a word of it. Not only was it written by a known psychopath, but the timing was after the murder and the fingering of him as a suspect.
Since it was conceived as a tool of deception, it's best to simply discount it entirely.
How's your mother doing, Damon?
would you expect that a guy with two criminal lawyers would incrminate himself on a blog?
TWo of the four or so blog entries on Harlow's blog are known to be FAKE/JOKE entries that were not written by Harlow.
The first blog entry on Harlow's blog appears to me to have been written by Harlow's lawyer.
The last blog entry on Harlow's Blog appears to have been written by at least two different people (not sure if either one was Harlow).
I agree with ALL of that. Now we're spiraling. Bring it back. The original question Jim brought up is: Was the motive for Harlow an unhealthy obsession with Brent Corrigan? And my point is, if an unhealthy obsession with Brent Corrigan is the motive, I know a few people who are guilty. xo L, J.
AND that we have no evidence of there being an unhealthy obsession so now we're just pulling things out of our ass basically.
...Which is no different than what the majority has done in the comments section of these threads from day one which is why I stopped posting!
So now I'll stop again.
Here's the real Kruezer and what he had to say!
From: damon@kruezeratnight.com mailto:damon@kruezeratnight.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:42 PM
To: Grant Roy
Subject: RE:
Grant -
I knew about it before it was publicly announced.
And how did I know?
Get ready for a shock that will make a lot of jaws drop - especially yours and Sean's.
Hint#1: I always liked you and believed in Sean, but had to pretend I turned against you after I was hired.
Hint #2: Who talked with Harlow at length the very day BEFORE his arrest?
My investigation is now complete.
Are you and Sean getting the picture now? No more sarcastic put-downs Grant, I've been your and Sean's friend and ally all along...you guys just never knew or figured it out.
See what's posted on my website after clearance by my attorney, then I'll email you in further detail.
We need to talk.
DK
** Damon Kruezer **
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Read it!
From: "Grant"
Date: Tue, May 15, 2007 6:13 pm
To: damon@kruezeratnight.com
Nathan, Damon or whatever your name is;
Because you haven’t posted part II yet of the Harlow interview, since you are the all knowing so and so you claim to be! I thought you might want to add this as part III or the conclusion to your story! Can’t wait to see you back and paw your way out of this one!
Good Luck,
Grant Roy
Two Charged with Luzerne County Murder
Tuesday, May 15, UPDATED: 5:04 p.m.
By Jon Meyer
Two men are under arrest in Virginia, charged with killing a man in Luzerne County...
It seems there is very little question that Brent and Grant where involved in the original planning of the murder during the Vegas meeting. It is a typical police tactic to tell a suspect that if you help in convicting the trigger man we will go easy on you and this would all have been arranged through a really crappy defense lawyer. It is just a matter of time before the police arrest the other two.
Important Point
There is actually no specific information that I know of that has any real person Identitying Harlow or Joe in Luzerne County. THIS is probably why the police needed some kind of "confesssion" from Harlow.
You would think that with three States and the FBI bugging two porn bunnies on a nude beach that at least ONE State would have made sure that what they were doing was legal and would be admissiable in court. HOwever, my prediction ...
The taping on the beach was probably illegal under Pennsylania law and not admissible in court in Pennsylvania. ALSO,
The evidence so far suggests to me that someone other than Harlow or Joe actually Killed Kocis (but Harlow definitely and Joe maybe were in Kocis' house at the time).
QUESTION: How did Harlow, Joe and whomever know their way around Kocis' house? How did the killers know where Cobra's masters and legal paperwork was located?
THANK YOU! Yes, that's what I'm saying. There's a LOT of questions still. I'm not pointing a finger and saying anyone is innocent or guilty. Just saying, this is not cut and dry by any means and everyone still seems very much suspect. xo L, J.
Prediction
There is NOT going to be any trial in Luzerne County.
Harlow and Joe will plead guilty to whatever they need to plead guilty to to avoid there being a trial in Luzerne County and to avoid having all of this shit coming out about Kocis not being a registered sex offender.
The Kocis family definitely does not want a national tv network asking them questions about Bryan Kocis and a 15 year old boy.
It is so funny the line the PA Cop said about catching Harlow and that THE FAMILY now has closure. THIS sounded almost word for word like what the DA said about the 15 year old boy's family in 2002.
NOTE:
The charge of "Abuse of a corpse"
This suggest that the police know that neither Joe nor Harlow actually killed Kocis but that one or both of them may have been in Kocis' house at the time of the murder.
QUESTION: How did Harlow, Joe and whomever know their way around Kocis' house? How did the killers know where Cobra's masters and legal paperwork was located?
That is an EXCELLENT question. Here are a few possible answers:
1 - They didn't, so they trashed the house until they found what they were looking for.
2 - They were told by someone who knew their way around Bryan's house where to find the masters and model releases.
I think scenario #2 is more plausible that 1.
it doesn't really matter,
THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRIAL
Harlow & Joe were suppose to die in the First Police Raid.
If Harlow & Joe can stay alive and keep their lawyers, they will plead guilty to something or other and be appearing live on JCTV by the end of the year.
Interesting fact
The VA press is saying that the Governor of PA has to serve arrest warrants for Harlow & JOe on the Governor of VA.
The Chairman of the PA State Judicial Conduct Board is supposed to be a close political cronie of The Governor of Pennsylvania AND Luzerne County Judge Michael Conahan
The Governor of Pennsylvania might not get to serving arrest warrants for Harlow & Joe on the Governor of Virginia for quite some time.
Jason,
I posted this also on Elm's blog:
I haven't told my own Brent Corrigan and Grant Roy story. I may never reveal what they did to me but after my experience with them I learned that Brent and Grant could not be trusted. They are serious liars. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but they used me and never gave me what was promised. I'm just in awe of how our society lets those deemed beautiful get away with anything. Can we say Paris Hilton? I really wish Brent the best as I would any other person but he has got to start owing up to his flaws and faults. He is not above the law nor beyond reproach. I may tell my story and share my experiences dealing with them on my blog Chronicles of Pornia.
Anon various AKA Peter Everhard
You just keep on beating on about Luzerne County. The arrests of Harlow & Joe seem to mean nothing to you.
It was tedious then and even more tedious now that matters have moved on and new issues merit discussion.
What did Sean & Grant know and when did they know it?
That would answer a lot of other questions.
Hehe, I asked the same question over at Elm's, Cad! Except I think I left Grant out...so your phrasing is probably better.
The recorded conversations in the affidavit I think will answer much. When it's made public, it should give us all a lot of cud to chew on here, for a while.
could we expect that the affidavit will be public soon or just after the trial or not at all?
I'm not sure...Harlow's lawyer has a copy, that we know, because he sez he's busy pouring over it.
And I know Julien is trying to lay hands on a copy.
I'm very interested to read about those recorded conversations, especially the context in which Grant allegedly asked Harlow if Bryan suffered.
What did Sean & Grant know and when did they know it?
I know they'll answer that in greater detail as soon as they can. Suffice it to say, they started cooperating with the authorities from the outset.
Was the motive for Harlow an unhealthy obsession with Brent Corrigan? And my point is, if an unhealthy obsession with Brent Corrigan is the motive, I know a few people who are guilty.
While the prosecution will give one simple motive, there probably isn't one simple reason for why the two acted as they did. It's usually much more about a frame of mind, or how someone saw the situation and what they thought they could get out of it. As to how closely that corresponds to reality is another matter altogether.
I Do think there will be a trial on this matter and maybe federal charges for and state of V.A. charges as well. Right now the media is reporting that the Police in V.A. are looking into other crames that these 2 may or may not have committed.. as far as an arrest warrent from the governor of PA i think that he has done and signed it and that is why the 2 are being held other wise they would be bailed out of jail already. I also think that we will also see more lesser charges agianst Brent and Grant Roy on some type of charge but we do not know what yet. I guess it is an wait and see thing as far a major media net work covering it i think some network will lets face it sex sells it does not matter if it is gay sex of straight sex.
where are all the toxic twink and cobrakiller cohorts now?
it will be interesting to get confirmation of sean's age in a court of law. yeah i still have problems with the age issue. my consistent theory does not seem so ridiculous now.
the truth always outs in the end.
Erik - Not calling you a liar. We probably spoke with different officers around the same time. xo L, J.
bb said...
where are all the toxic twink and cobrakiller cohorts now?
Don't you know, bb? They are all busy gloating.
The wildest part of the whole thing is seeing Damon Kruezer interviewed on a local news station:
http://www.wvec.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=144820
I wonder who's photo the station used in the graphics?
Anonymous said...
"Don't you know, bb? They are all busy gloating.
4:35 PM"
roflmfao. uhuh yep sure they are :) the clearly jumped ship hehe.
This may be off-topic a bit, but is anyone else having trouble watching the videos that Julien has linked? I get to the site but get a "Video is launching" message without anything else happening.
Anyone else having this problem?
I must say, this interview brings back or old friend DK....in a BIG way!
http://www.wvec.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=144820
I have followed this story from the day I got my first copy of BC's first movie from Cobra. I have not missed a written word for about 2 years. This is fasinating in many ways. First, it convinced me to withdraw all future investment in this industry amoung many other things.....It has changed the way I think about many thing and bringgs into question any further involvment in this industry!
4:53 PM
video will only play if you use internet explorer. does not work in other browsers. if you are using internet explorer, you might need to update your windows media player.
5:03 PM
it is very difficult to gain credibility for a person in the biz to those on the outside because of people like sean and his cobrakiller.
it also does not help with the cause to further gay rights.
it is sad because there are a handful of good people in the industry.
Jason - if you have time, could you answer a couple of Cobra-centric questions (seeing as you probably know more about Cobra business - and the porn business in general - than I do).
#1 - With the masters and the releases destroyed, does this mean what ever little hope of Cobra surviving (as little as though it might have been) is gone?
#2 - What happened to the last Cobra release - Take It like A bitch? It never made it to retail outlets and then seems to have disappeared altogether.
#3 - Have you heard what is going on with the models? Most of these guys you didn't see anywhere else and there are two - Shaun and Corey (who did a couple of scenes together) that I thought were the hottest ever, especially Shaun (a hunky little bottom).
And frankly, no matter what is decided in a court of law, I will never personally believe that Sean and Grant were totally innocent in this situation. Common sense and the way things developed practically screams of their invovlement.
Thanks in advance for any answers you can give.
bb said...
"it is very difficult to gain credibility for a person in the biz to those on the outside because of people like sean and his cobrakiller."
It's not only about someone's honesty, it's about persisting social stigma of the porn industry itself.
"it also does not help with the cause to further gay rights."
It's preposterous. No matter your sexual orientation is you should not be treated differently. Do you infer there should be some higher standards of good behavior for gay people in order to be accepted by the majority society?
Next time you will accuse Sean of causing global warming :)
Next time you will accuse Sean of causing global warming :)
5:43 PM
ya know... he is full of so much hot air :)
This questions goes out to jason or whomever.Jason reports Sean has been named an informant in assisting police in the case against Harlow and the nude beach meeting.I would love to know where he got that info or anyone else for that matter.I have watched the virginia news.Checked out the citizens voice,times leader,avn,the pilot etc.None name sean as the informant.According to one source it turned out investigators intensely focused on both men shortly after the murder and gathered lots of evidence along the way leading up to the surveillance on the nude beach.One claims a informant said days and weeks after kocis murder noticed harlow become reclusive and not speaking to anyone.also one source claims at the meeting a hint of murder was brought up but pulled back from further discussion,though a confidential informant told police a verbal agreement was made for sean to work with harlow once bryan was gone.Lastly i believe it was the citizens voice state police cpl leo hannon jr. the lead criminal investigator on the case said he couldn't disclose on how the conversations were recorded.Please anyone i love to know where this source Jason reports that Sean was an informant on helping the police.I can't find it so please help me out thanks.
In reading all these stories I kept thinking the motive was so weak that eventually a 'conspiracy to commit murder' charge would be in the future for anyone else involved with Harlow and his lover but after seeing the news story where DK of all people says Harlow called him I now realize these two guys are just plain stupid.
First they thought they would make millions off Brent Corrigan if he filmed a movie with them.
Next they used their own photo to get a meeting with Kocis.
Then they used their own credit cards to rent a car, buy a knife (the murder weapon) and they used the credit card for a hotel room near Kocis house. They probably bought a lighter too.
And then the biggest blunder of all; they picked up the phone and called DK to give an interview about the case where they were the prime suspects already identified as such in the media. How very 'Scott Peterson' of them.
There is no conspiracy. These two guys are stupid criminals and they will both be found guilty of murder.
You summed it up at the end of your post. Why would Brent/Grant agree to set up Harlow/Joe if they didn't know details about their involvement? That speaks volumes to me.
Nick, I think those from Sean's camp (I refer to them as The Others) will argue that after learning of Bryan's death, Sean and Grant remembered their dinner conversation with Harlow and Joe, where the latter two brought up taking Bryan out of the picture (or however they phrased it). It dawned on them that Harlow actually went through with it (without any knowledge on Sean and Grant's part) so the two former Cobra haters did what any good person would do and went to the police with this information - less than 2 weeks before Bryan's murder, Sean and Grant had dinner with two men who brought up murdering Bryan. The police took the information, as they should have, and after some investigating, realized they were on the right path.
Next thing we know, Sean and Grant are recruited by the police in a sting operation, and because of his ego and boastful nature, Harlow had no difficulty telling Sean and Grant about how Harlow and Joe killed Bryan.
That's what the Others would argue - Sean and Grant had no involvement whatsoever, other than helping the police out of the goodness of their hearts.
How generous of them to help solve the murder of a man they themselves wanted dead for so very long.
Sean must have a guardian devil looking out for him or something.
Grant wanted Bryan dead and low and behold some guy comes along like a knight in shinning armor and kills Bryan for him and he didn't even have to suggest it.
Amazing coincidence huh?
Jason, please (I beg of you) stand aside and let the police handle this. I know you crave attention but for Christ's sake just let this take its own course. We all know how you like to get in the middle of this stuff, but for the sake of justice just let it go this time..please.
5:22 - I wish I could answer those questions for you, but I don't have idea one on where Cobra will go from here, how many masters there were, etc. Bryan and I were not close. The only time we spoke was when he would take the time to threaten me for my support of Brent Corrigan's age issues. xo L, J.
7:36 - The police have expressed a lot of gratitude for my questioning things and covering the story. I have met with them personally. They're doing their job. I'm doing mine. This is about justice. A lot of times, when we don't stand up and voice our questions, things get sweeped under the rug. See: 9/11 I'm just doing my job. They're doing theirs. Thankfully we've been able to work together to try to see that justice is served. xo L, J.
Once the mainstream media started using Damon Kruezer as a source I no longer blingdly believe everything we are being told.
C'mon guys, cut Jason a break; he is doing a great job. Many of us bloggers are cooperating to ensure the truth gets told because things like this have a habit of making the gay community look like freaks. Good job Jason. Stay tuned to my blog as well, more news to come and I promise--no spin.
Jason, would you please lace this thread with some tits, ass and pussy pics of some of your girls so that the straight cops that are using this site to put there case together wont feel completely uncomfortable with our gay little online CSI episode here. Maybe Jenna will volunteer to do a fuck seen on line for the boys in BLUE!
And in trade, perhaps the COPS will share with us were the recording device was hidden at Blacks Beach. I'm thinking it was in those ugly glasses Sean was wearing...Am I correct?
anon 7:36 PM
why do you want to stop people talking about this? you obviously read the blogs too. you are connected in some way to say the things you say.
jason has done a great job even though do not agree with all his comments.
if you do not like it, do not read it. you have no right or business to deny that to those of us who are interested.
I read on the Kruezer Blog that Harrlow will turn states evidances to avoide the Death Penality! Jason do you know what this is about or any one else for this matter... I hope that Brians Family gets justice and the death penality is on the table and will be sought for all that had any thing to do with this crime... my question is that who will harlow turn states evidance agianst may we say BC AKA Sean Lockheart or Grant roy... Now to the next thing Harrlows has in his myspace blog requesting donations this is funny because he is worth millions and his accounts have been frozen well he wont need the accounts after the trial any ways his lawyers would get all his money... He has more money than all of us that blog here i think and several nice cars and lets not forget the 500 a plate for lamb for him brent and grant...
he is worth millions
Of what? Pesos?
Sheesh.
damon, is that you? (ree-ree-ree-ree)
Another VERY interesting Harlow quote, from the nude beach:
"Eventually, according to the affidavit, police managed to record conversations, including one at a nude beach in San Diego in which Cuadra admitted he was present when Kocis was killed. " Actually it's sick, but it made me feel better inside," Cuadra said about seeing the killing, according to the affidavit."
This is from http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=124868&ran=2853
It made Harlow, personally feel better inside. Hmmm. Very odd, for someone with NO prior dealings with Bryan at all, a total stranger. Unless...
It's as if he's doing this because he thinks it pleases Brent..and hence he gets off on it himself.
The Obsessed Fan theory for Harlow's motive is looking stronger and stronger each day.
Right now, I'd say Harlow's motive is a mixture of the money/porn turf war put forward by the police...PLUS this Hinckly-ish fan obsession for Jody Fost...ooops, I mean Brent, that keeps cropping up in these recordings.
VERY interesting!
Jim - You mention that it's weird for Harlow to have felt good about the killing if he hadn't known Kocis. You also say everything he has stated should be discounted and is probably a lie, which means, according to your own rule book, it's very possible that he did know Kocis! So I'm puzzled as to why you would instead jump to the conclusion that he was obsessed with Brent which we have no evidence of whatsoever rather than assume he had his own axe to grind with the man. Doesn't that make more sense? It's these sort of myopic "thin air" conclusions you draw that so conveniently help their defense that makes people think you're one of them. Just lettin' ya know. xo L, J.
And Jim - Part Two - In other words, you don't choose to see the more obvious conclusion or even follow your own words -- but instead, seem more interested in providing an air tight innocence for Brent and Grant. Which is totally fine if that's your bag! But own it for God's sake. And in owning it, you gotta accept that when motive of "obsession" comes from your keyboard, it sounds more like projection on your part. Which would make sense actually if you were Grant. You should be obsessed with your partner and wanting to protect and defend him, after all. Not saying you ARE Grant either. Just saying... would certainly make a little more sense. xo L, J.
Huh? I stated his WRITTEN BLOG can't be believed. I was VERY specific!
This is TOTALLY different! He is SPEAKING unawares into a microphone!
Why are you misquoting me like this? Is it intentional?
What jumping to conclusions? I just laid out a QUOTE! I cited hard evidence that points out Harlow seems like an an obsessed fan!
Boggle!
And thirdly...how does this theory show Brent is innocent???
And as far as what people think of me, being "one of them" or whatever..FUCK 'EM!
I don't give a rats ass what people think of me. Back when everyone was saying "ooooh Harlow was fraaamed!!!" and you were aiding their PR campaign, who was the LONE voice who called it right, all along?
ME.
I called it. Practically alone, I called it. Harlow turned out to indeed be the murder.
I'd rather be right than popular. After all, when you are posting under an anon name, being popular isn't really that special, now is it?
jim 2:36 AM
lol. i will feel the same when the cobrakiller found his hitman theory is proved to be correct.
glad you remained anon now? bb does have a few brain cells in perfect working order, do not discount them, not yet :)
oh and jim, when that comes true, i will join you on that mountain top for that drink... what was it called again?
Have any of you actually looked at the guys who were doing work for boybatter.com? Harlow had a lover and access to a whole lot of beautiful guys - this does not sound like someone who would be obsessed with Brent Corrigan.
[b]however[/b], I will say that Harlow and Joe appeared to be very very interested in getting a national distributor for their dvds/video. It is possible that Harlow thought that having a recognized name might help them get a national distributor quicker.
Harlow did post something about announcing a national distributor shortly for boybatter.com product.
Yes, bb, you were right about the anon thing. Thanks!
Only by staying anon can I maintain my objectivity. I see that clearly now.
It was a Mai Tai. A cool and tasty one!
" bb said...
oh and jim, when that comes true, i will join you on that mountain top for that drink... what was it called again? "
strange alliances here ;-)
jim even honored my obsessed fan theory...
well..one reason we had that discussions with grant was to fight against that climate of hate he created. this climate could encourage people to harm bryan in any way and/or as it might be the case here to vindicate a crime against bryan.
there might be no legal responsibility of grant. but it is hardly to believe that his constant rants would not attract shady guys willing to be the hitmen at a certain moment.
it is to early to make speculations on the few facts we have now. so i won´t. and i have no pity for people who killed a man in that brutal manner.
ab,
YES! I agree with you. With one major caveat: The hate you speak of flowed both ways.
Hired goons. TILABB. Farm state Brent look-alikes flown in to cause vexation. "I am the King! I make the rules!" Etc. I could go on for a while here.
I'll meet you halfway, Ab. A climate of hate, created by both, 50-50 split. My final offer, not a percentage more! And looking at my list, I'd say I'm being EXCEEDINGLY generous.
The ATKOL forums seem to be dead....LETS all celibrate that ashole on the east coast is no longer of any interest within the porn players world!
Congrats Jason, you seem to have picked up the mantle.
I hope you are able to turn it into some cash....
You should start a board!
jim,
we can meet halfway :-)
maybe i left the story to early for a while. bryan stayed silent at that time and fought his legal battle. what i wanted to say is that these initial experiences determined my point of view.
Yay Ab and I agree!
Mai Tais on me.
When do I get my Mai Tai?
prost jim :-)
Anyone can sign onto the "ab-jim MOU" and enjoy a Mai Tai, yes.
Will signing the MOU put me in danger from blowhard nutjobs trying to sign you to a porn deal, Jim?